Stephen A. and Max debate Eli Manning vs. Big Ben | First Take

Stephen A. Smith, Max Kellerman and Damien Woody debate whether New York Giants QB Eli Manning or Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger has had a better career following the news that Manning will retire from the NFL after 16 seasons.
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  1. ESPN

    ESPNPřed 26 dny

    Better career: Eli Manning or Big Ben?

  2. ddawgg23

    ddawgg23Před dnem

    B Solo NJ Thing is Ben won two rings as well

  3. B Solo NJ

    B Solo NJPřed 13 dny

    Eli! I'd rather have 2 Championships than a bunch of appearances in the playoffs and super bowl! I want those 2 rings!!

  4. Andrew Lowry

    Andrew LowryPřed 18 dny

    wish the browns played in the NFC east

  5. Grandmas Moist MeatBalls

    Grandmas Moist MeatBallsPřed 19 dny

    Big Ben

  6. Jason Voorhees

    Jason VoorheesPřed 20 dny


  7. Ogulcanclips

    OgulcanclipsPřed 21 hodinou

    Stephen A. Smith just hates the Giants in general. “Who had a better career, Eli Manning or Mitch Tribusky?” Stephen A. Smith: “Tribusky.”

  8. Ogulcanclips

    OgulcanclipsPřed 22 hodinami

    Ben had AB, Leveon Bell, Juju, and WAY many more playmakers. All Eli had was Odell for 4 years (Odell got injured sat out a season), and Saquon for 1 year. Give Eli Bens playmakers and Eli would have like 10 rings.

  9. B Rumph

    B RumphPřed 2 dny

    The Steelers had legendary defenses to support Big Ben. He had better teams than Eli. Other than “TEAM” wins Eli’s “INDIVIDUAL” numbers are superior to Big Bens.....what’s the argument here?

  10. Connor Shea

    Connor SheaPřed 3 dny

    Eli manning vs Philip Rivers is a better question. Ben sits above them both.

  11. Mark Wint

    Mark WintPřed 8 dny

    Giant fan Ben was better when healthy.

  12. Connor Fetsko

    Connor FetskoPřed 11 dny

    Why is kellerman still on tv get him off he’s terrible

  13. Connor Fetsko

    Connor FetskoPřed 11 dny

    Max your a jackass, Ben played in bad weather too

  14. B Solo NJ

    B Solo NJPřed 13 dny

    Eli!! Give me those rings!! Forget that other dude's playoffs!!

  15. B Solo NJ

    B Solo NJPřed 7 dny

    @TheBlazikenBro BOI Ok I don't care if Eli only went to the playoffs 2 times and that's when he won the super bowl. I just needed a championship in NY! And I got 2 I'm not concerned how many times Eli didn't make it to the playoffs!!

  16. TheBlazikenBro BOI

    TheBlazikenBro BOIPřed 7 dny

    They both got 2 rings

  17. Darren Bond

    Darren BondPřed 13 dny

    He has not been terrible Eli had a horrible o line

  18. Timothy Soom

    Timothy SoomPřed 13 dny

    Box of Rocks 80 IQ Kellerman 79

  19. Hunter Wise

    Hunter WisePřed 13 dny

    Big Ben has a better career and it's not close imo plus it's almost guaranteed to continue

  20. clehooda northside

    clehooda northsidePřed 14 dny

    Iam not a Steelers fan but is this a joke 😂😂😂😂

  21. Danial B.

    Danial B.Před 15 dny

    I really wanna fact check the "clutch metrics" Max talks about. He has never had an outstanding playoff performance. Max also likes to say Eli is better in playoffs than Peyton which is insane.

  22. Denzel from Washington

    Denzel from WashingtonPřed 16 dny

    Big Ben all day... even though eli did beat tom Brady in the superbowl, just sayin that mean something.

  23. Shizz

    ShizzPřed 16 dny

    Max’s arguments about QBs contradicts themselves. You could use his Carson Wentz take against this.

  24. Gun Monkey

    Gun MonkeyPřed 16 dny

    When you have the NFL record of leading the league in interceptions three times, then you do not belong in the HOF. He will get in though, but that in my opinion is a comment on the Hall becoming too easy to get into for QB’s and other positions.

  25. TheBlazikenBro BOI

    TheBlazikenBro BOIPřed 7 dny

    Its about td to int ratio, is a 2 td 1 int game better than a 7 td 3 int game, no

  26. Don Partsch

    Don PartschPřed 16 dny

    big Ben went to Indy and schooled Eli's brother....

  27. Jack K

    Jack KPřed 17 dny

    How is this a debate?

  28. curtis brown

    curtis brownPřed 18 dny

    It's. Sad. When. We. Are. Held. On. Different. Standards. ,. An. White. People. Fatigued. About. Talented. Hof. And. What. They. See. In. Their. Culture

  29. Jack Casey

    Jack CaseyPřed 18 dny

    Yes Eli was a "iron man" but who remembers when Big Ben snapped his nose back in when he broke it in a game

  30. M B

    M BPřed 18 dny

    honestly it may be a diff convo if he wins his two Super Bowls later in his career rather then early but idk.. I do know he will get in

  31. Andrew Lowry

    Andrew LowryPřed 18 dny

    are we gonna pretend the AFC is a tougher conference than the NFC?

  32. TheBlazikenBro BOI

    TheBlazikenBro BOIPřed 7 dny

    Andrew Lowry thats what i said

  33. Andrew Lowry

    Andrew LowryPřed 7 dny

    @TheBlazikenBro BOI The AFC's typically has two to three good teams. NFC's a lot more competitive. Look at the browns raiders and jaguars over the last decade

  34. TheBlazikenBro BOI

    TheBlazikenBro BOIPřed 7 dny

    Afc has better teams nfc has more parody

  35. LOCKNLOAD6996

    LOCKNLOAD6996Před 19 dny

    I'd say big ben is better just off his deep ball and arm strength, he threw lazers down the side lines.

  36. Pedro J Cordero Rivera

    Pedro J Cordero RiveraPřed 19 dny

    Funny how .. Max makes a statement about Ben having more weapons the reason why bla bla bla ... but when Stephen A talks about Brady and weapons he doesn’t care lmao .. he contradicts himself in this argument..

  37. J R

    J RPřed 19 dny

    As an unbiased viewer. Eli 200%

  38. TheBlazikenBro BOI

    TheBlazikenBro BOIPřed 7 dny

    I don’t believe you can be unbiased and believe that

  39. Ronald Shiffman

    Ronald ShiffmanPřed 20 dny

    The players surrounding a QB matter. The Giants roster sucked the entire career of Eli Manning. O.K. Those were the cards Eli was dealt. I never heard him complain. But it should be obvious that the Baltimore Ravens today have much, much better talent on their roster than the Giants have had in the past 18 years. If Stephen A wants to bet me, I say Lamar Jackson never wins a super bowl, never gets into the hall of fame. $100.00 put up or shut up.

  40. TheBlazikenBro BOI

    TheBlazikenBro BOIPřed 7 dny

    Giants had all time defenses for all the years eli was considered “good”

  41. Kendall Redd

    Kendall ReddPřed 20 dny

    How did he not have weapons hakeem nick Victor Cruz and obj

  42. Ridz 39

    Ridz 39Před 20 dny

    I feel like later performances ruined Eli’s legacy, just like Arsene Wenger.

  43. Sean O'Donnell

    Sean O'DonnellPřed 20 dny

    Ben way better

  44. Jacob Rod

    Jacob RodPřed 21 dnem

    Max uses clearly very often

  45. Damian Anders

    Damian AndersPřed 21 dnem

    So they’re going to ignore the fact that Ben had a horrible offensive line until Pouncey and DeCastro? Or how he didn’t have a good running game until Lev Bell popped off in 2014? Or how he was just as important to their success as AB was with their incredible chemistry. Or how he carried a horrible defense on his back the back half of his career. Or how his most important weapon in the SB couldn’t keep himself in the league shortly after. They missed so much in this argument. And Mike Tomlin was a rookie head coach, he had to grow into the coach he is now. Their points are all things that happened in the past 5 years (other than the SBs)

  46. Chris Ahearn

    Chris AhearnPřed 21 dnem

    Ben had the better numbers, but Eli was the better person

  47. Chris Ahearn

    Chris AhearnPřed 7 dny

    When it comes to sheer statistical performance, it won't. But in terms of how their remembered when they reture, it will matter significantly

  48. TheBlazikenBro BOI

    TheBlazikenBro BOIPřed 7 dny

    Does that matter

  49. CowSlayer2

    CowSlayer2Před 21 dnem

    Big Ben was and always has been a beast. Eli was good, but he ain’t never beeen a crazy super star qb

  50. Levi Peterson

    Levi PetersonPřed 21 dnem

    Honestly I'd take Eli and Coughlin over Ben and Tomlin I know what the stats say but I Feel like they are better.

  51. J Gunzler

    J GunzlerPřed 21 dnem

    Eh I don’t agree that Eli had less talent to work with than Big Ben. Ben turned wide receivers into stars. He didn’t throw to many first round picks outside of Plax and Heath Miller that I can think of. Eli had OBJ, Hakeem Nicks, Jeremy Shockey, Evan Engram, Plax also, and a handful of 2nd round picks throughout his career.

  52. John McAuliffe

    John McAuliffePřed 22 dny

    One guy is 144-71-1 and one is 117-117...stop it lol 😂 Big Ben has had the better career, it’s not even close! Eli Manning way over stayed his welcome in NY. Got benched for Geno while Ben led the league in passing yards in 2018... People debate whether Eli is even a HOFer or not and I think he is 💯 percent but it’s not even a question with Ben. Only QB in NFL History with 3 500 yd games and back to back 6 TD games. All three guys from that class are HOFers. Ben, Eli and Rivers. And that’s the order I have them at. Rivers has great numbers but his post season numbers and success isn’t there.

  53. SR Chamb

    SR ChambPřed 22 dny

    51/49 Split in favor of Big Ben and I’m a HUGE Eli Manning fan. Thank you Stephen A. Smith for pointing out the Manning to Manningham pass! Waaaay better play and pass than the Tyree catch imo lol

  54. Scott Gibson

    Scott GibsonPřed 22 dny

    Eli is not even close to Big Ben. Eli won those two SB because of his defense. Its not like put up 40 points against the Pats. Eli was a nice durable QB, nothing more nothing less. Ben is a Hall of Famer Eli is not. The only reason Eli will be in the HF is because all of the hate for the Pats. Please stop saying Eli beat the Pats, the Giants defense beat the Pats.

  55. Philip Lam

    Philip LamPřed 22 dny

    Over the course of Eli's career, there is not a single WR who left the Giants and went on to have a better season with another team. Toomer, Plaxico, Nicks, Manningham, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Odell, Hixon, Tyree...none. Many of these players left the Giants and couldn't even get a starting job on another team. Eli has also had a huge list of no-name TEs to throw to.

  56. Anthony Gonzalez

    Anthony GonzalezPřed 22 dny

    Molly pls just shut up

  57. ernesto shulterbrandt

    ernesto shulterbrandtPřed 22 dny

    They both suck but Eli was slightly better cuz he played like a actual QB and not a backyard, madden video game, arena league, meat head QB.

  58. JW 207

    JW 207Před 22 dny

    Not one mention of defensive ranks and rushing ranks. Ben was carried by elite defenses and rush attacks. Eli? Almost never.

  59. Bryan Ramoutar

    Bryan RamoutarPřed 22 dny

    117-117 and 144-71-1 😂😂😂😂

  60. NYBound

    NYBoundPřed 22 dny

    So eli manning has more yards, tds and super bowl mvps and they say they are just speaking on numbers. eli manning had the better career however roethlisbergers team was consistently better than elis. simple.

  61. Jordan Truce

    Jordan TrucePřed 23 dny

    Is max high? Ben is way better than Eli. Ben is a consistent winner. Eli has been mediocre other than his two super bowl seasons.

  62. Dez 14

    Dez 14Před 23 dny

    I think that Eli and Ben were about the same quarterback but Ben did better in his career cause of those around him Ben has consistently had one of the best offensive line and weapons and some of a defense Ben had Antonio Brown and Leveon Bell the best player Eli had was Odell and even then Odell was a locker room problem I think if Eli had more help then maybe he would have been in the playoffs more and maybe could have gotten another super bowl

  63. Zach W

    Zach WPřed 23 dny

    I guess everyone just forgets the sexual assault allegations against Peyton Manning. And getting in trouble multiple times after talking about it while not being allowed to

  64. ThySlumpy

    ThySlumpyPřed 23 dny

    Phillips river is better

  65. The Gator

    The GatorPřed 23 dny

    Stephen a smith is a racist only picks big ben because he plays for a black coach and smith loves black coaches

  66. Alex Crawford

    Alex CrawfordPřed 23 dny

    Lol molly so stupid. Max had to translate to her “Ben went there more” = “stfu”

  67. Michael Hawkins

    Michael HawkinsPřed 23 dny

    Ben’s teams always had an Elite defense

  68. G EJ

    G EJPřed 23 dny

    How is this even a question

  69. Bill Nye

    Bill NyePřed 23 dny

    Steven A, tell me how many house hold names you can remember that Eli Manning had to work with. Don’t worry, I’ll wait....yea, exactly. How many times has Big Ben played an entire season? Don’t worry, I’ll wait....that’s what I thought. Tell me, how many women Eli had “interactions” with in a public restroom? Don’t worry, I’ll wait....mhmm. Get lost Steven A, at this point I’d rather listen to Molly than you.

  70. Bluemaverick11

    Bluemaverick11Před 23 dny

    They trying to make eli another Jim Plunkett. Multiple superbowls... not in the hall of fame.

  71. Uneek X

    Uneek XPřed 23 dny

    Eli all day

  72. MDM

    MDMPřed 23 dny

    :19 So was Namath

  73. Ham 1982

    Ham 1982Před 23 dny

    He is a hall of fame,,,,no question,. beats Tom Brady twice, how can the QB that beats the best QB of the 2000s not consider HOF! .. give me two rings and take all the QBs you want

  74. salamipitza

    salamipitzaPřed 23 dny

    eli has accomplished the same as big ben and both of their two sb rings were driven by the defense and they made one or two great throws all game

  75. Jacob Webb

    Jacob WebbPřed 23 dny

    Little Ben has always had a great team around him. Eli very rarely did.